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Haven't seen that much Edited by nikchandel 03-12-2012 15:58 |
03/12/2012 15:56 |
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grantis45 said: If everyone start making strategies like Juventus Cluj Napoca (because it is getting good results) then every game will have 20 players standing in the center line of pitch. This is exactly what happened here when the new sim came in. 1 season later most people had dropped OT simply because it will get you badly beaten if your opponent guesses correctly that you will use it. As ABC said, it's not a loophole, it's a valid tactic that's very easy to beat. A link here would be helpful |
03/12/2012 15:58 |
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I got 30 offside calls my last game (http://en3.strikermanager.com/partido.php?id=9208590) when my opponent used this insanely cheap tactic. That shouldn't happen in any soccer simulation. It would be one thing if at least the offside calls were accurate but we all know they are not. An offside should be called when the player is in an offside position when the pass is first made NOT when he receives the pass. Also, if the player is behind the ball when the pass to him is made he can never be offside. In this game, I broke the OT with 3 players and one of my players passed to another one (who was behind the ball), and it was called an offside! It is clearly not! apart from set pieces, they are generally all correct now, what time were these calls that are incorrect at. This must be clearly fixed. I see no point in playing this game if it acts like some other sport that is not soccer. I like soccer not a made-up game that looks like soccer. Whoever the mods are or the devs you must care about this. If you want more people to play this game and even pay for it, you have to fix this. A short term fix is to not allow formations that take advantage of this. Or, penalize players who do this very often. Maybe even remove the offside call after 20 offside calls or something. It is insanely easy to stop yourself being offside, the only fixes coming will be the ones from set pieces. If you removed offside calls after 20, I'd park my team in your goalmouth and wait for the count to hit 20. |
03/12/2012 16:00 |
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nikchandel said: grantis45 said: If everyone start making strategies like Juventus Cluj Napoca (because it is getting good results) then every game will have 20 players standing in the center line of pitch. This is exactly what happened here when the new sim came in. 1 season later most people had dropped OT simply because it will get you badly beaten if your opponent guesses correctly that you will use it. As ABC said, it's not a loophole, it's a valid tactic that's very easy to beat. A link here would be helpful A link to what? |
03/12/2012 16:01 |
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super striker king said: 1.try keeping ur close the ball 2.whenever ball is deep in ur half bring ur forwards to halfline or little more as most teams get offside in this situation. 3.drag the forward line back in tactics 4get fast forward 5.bring ur forward close to each other when ur counter attacking in opponents deep half 6.i hav seen that wings attack wid a slightly short passes(about 40-45) gives less offsides.not confirmed tho. |
03/12/2012 16:05 |
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grantis45 said: nikchandel said: grantis45 said: If everyone start making strategies like Juventus Cluj Napoca (because it is getting good results) then every game will have 20 players standing in the center line of pitch. This is exactly what happened here when the new sim came in. 1 season later most people had dropped OT simply because it will get you badly beaten if your opponent guesses correctly that you will use it. As ABC said, it's not a loophole, it's a valid tactic that's very easy to beat. A link here would be helpful A link to what? Link to simulator where teams get badly beaten when opponenet guesses correctly that you will use it. (It would be better if both teams have players of same level) I am not sarcastic here but this will genuinely help me creating a good strategy  |
03/12/2012 16:07 |
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I've mailed you a formation. When you import make sure it ends in FF. I haven't got a link(or really the time to try to find one), I set my formation partly anti-offside all the time, but no-ones really tried to trap me this season. |
03/12/2012 16:18 |
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It was around 40:57 mark. Now looking it more closely I think he may have moved offside at the last second when the pass was made even though he was onside all along before that (who knows why he did that). Fair enough on your last comment. Personally, that is a cheap thing to do and I like to win clean but it is perfectly legitimate to win cheaply. It was just a suggestion although I understand people will find a way to game the system to win, it is human nature. What you have to understand though is that this offside trick/tactic makes the game a lot less enjoyable and a lot less lifelike. Two things as a dev/mod you want NOT to happen to your creation. It is like when in indoor soccer with no offsides people cherry pick. Sure it is legitimate but it ruins the game. My final thought on this is this: Offside traps are a legitimate tactic to use in soccer. However, when one team/person takes it to the absolute extreme and we have 30+ offsides in the game, it is ruining the game for everyone. As a dev/mod you can do two things have everyone else change their style/formations/tactics to deal with this absurd tactic so we are changing because of THEM. Or better yet, do not allow such tactics in the first place (limit how high the defense line can go up in the formation) and/or penalize people that abuse this tactic and make the game worse for everyone else. My two cents. |
03/12/2012 16:40 |
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Btw im not a dev or a mod. Jaime, the thing about this game which a lot of us love is the freedom to do anything that your mind can come up with. For example, ive yet to see anyone employ crossing in from the wings properly, i know its possible because ive seen people do it accidently when theyve pushed their rm/lm forward too much. Its something i might try as a tactic. However i know someone will come to the forums if i get it right and say Granits is cheating(the usual description when people dont have an answer for it). When someone first came up with the idea for ot. Everyone complained. Defenders got a nerf(i think they still are slower closer to the half way line). If my crossing thing were to work, people would call for an advanced tactic that says "if crosses are greater that 20" and maybe thats all it needs more advanced tactic options This game is probably still the most complex in terms of what you can do with it, at the moment you're doing pretty well in div 6, as you go up the leagues you'll come across people using more and more complex strategies(i never did find a way of stopping boca juniors and his stupidly high dribbling cf). Im kinda rambling now, but in the end no free game like this will ever be perfect. You just have to adapt and adapt again. |
03/12/2012 17:41 |
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Forgot to mention, players with higher dribbling skill are less likely to be offside. | 03/12/2012 19:06 |
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