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Rojocapo Username 94 msgs. Rookie	hi, something i am not sure about. 1) Is the release clause directly proportionate to a juniors progress level? what i mean is that if i pull 2 of the same position player and one has a release clause of 1 mill and the other of 5 mill, does that mean that the 5 mill player is 5 times better then the 1 mill player, as if it would progress so much further. 2) As a noob i guess, would people lie about the progress of a player? What i mean is when a player they change the name to 85 progr 90 fc, would people lie just to get a really high paid player in auction? I seen a 14 year old with a stat of 29 and have a really high "progress" being sold for over the 100 mill, could this be real or someone is just fooling people. 3) How could i possibly avoid the above as a buyer? and what is FC (full capacity??) Thanks i hope it was clear what i meant.	11/07/2013 18:33
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Shimmo Username 280 msgs. First-team player	The release clause is proportionate mainly to the players wage - the higher the wage the higher the release clause. Also, the younger the player, the higher the release clause. It is against the rules of the game to lie about the progress or forecast (FC) of a player. Personally, I don't pay over the odds for someone with a supposed higher forecast or progress unless I can see it with my own eyes.	11/07/2013 18:50
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grantis45 Username 6256 msgs. Golden Ball	Rojocapo said: hi, something i am not sure about. 1) Is the release clause directly proportionate to a juniors progress level? what i mean is that if i pull 2 of the same position player and one has a release clause of 1 mill and the other of 5 mill, does that mean that the 5 mill player is 5 times better then the 1 mill player, as if it would progress so much further. 2) As a noob i guess, would people lie about the progress of a player? What i mean is when a player they change the name to 85 progr 90 fc, would people lie just to get a really high paid player in auction? I seen a 14 year old with a stat of 29 and have a really high "progress" being sold for over the 100 mill, could this be real or someone is just fooling people. 3) How could i possibly avoid the above as a buyer? and what is FC (full capacity??) Thanks i hope it was clear what i meant. 1) you your own release clause based on how much you value you place on the player. You cant be hostiled until you have 8000 manager xp. Watch out for when you cross that line, ive seen teams taken apart when they hit that part in the past. Look at the similar transfer button and if you want to keep them make sure its quite a bit higher. As to whether a player is better because he has a higher release clause, no. You can pay your guy 1billion a week and his release clause will be very high. 2) some people lie, it is against the rules and if you report it they will get into trouble. But you will not get a refund. Its possible to show a players progression when you sell plus you can look at training averages. 3) fc is a guess by the game at what the final average of the player will be. I tend to ignore it. FC is based on age, how often trained. A 90 prog senior who is 21 trains nearly as well as a 90 prog 14 year old junior. Theres a slight diff, and obviously you have less time to get them really high average.	11/07/2013 19:49
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Arsenal <... Username 961 msgs. MVP of the game	Rojocapo said: hi, something i am not sure about. 1) Is the release clause directly proportionate to a juniors progress level? what i mean is that if i pull 2 of the same position player and one has a release clause of 1 mill and the other of 5 mill, does that mean that the 5 mill player is 5 times better then the 1 mill player, as if it would progress so much further. 2) As a noob i guess, would people lie about the progress of a player? What i mean is when a player they change the name to 85 progr 90 fc, would people lie just to get a really high paid player in auction? I seen a 14 year old with a stat of 29 and have a really high "progress" being sold for over the 100 mill, could this be real or someone is just fooling people. 3) How could i possibly avoid the above as a buyer? and what is FC (full capacity??) Thanks i hope it was clear what i meant. 1) I believe release clause and progression do not relate in anyway but by averages. Also they are determined by their salary to release clause. The more they are paid, the higher their release clause will be and vice versa. Another factor that comes into play is their fidelity. This factor is only revealed when doing GB+ searches. Usually the higher fidelity, the lower you can pay the player but with still a high release clause. The lower their fidelity is, the higher you would need to pay such player to get a higher release clause. Another thing to note is that the lower average the player is, the harder it is to raise their release clause, most probably due to a low salary per release clause ratio. 2) Some people would lie about the progression of a player, but that risk is not worth it due to the consequences such as a fine penalty which would make that lying profit null and even worse. (Check point 3 on how to avoid it) The reason people buy players that are really young and with low averages is solely due to their progression and forecast. After buying that said player, after a few seasons of training, they can probably sell that player for even much more than what they bought him for. For example, someone buys a 90 prog CF, but only 14 years old and 30 starting average for 100m (just picking numbers here), after training them to 80 average at 18 years old, they can probably make 500m+ (again picking random numbers here) thus giving quite a profit. 3) You can avoid making a fake purchase by always checking the player's profile for their "PREVISION" tab which shows you their progression and also their forecast. For future information: Forecast (FC) is the predicted average a player will reach if trained correctly and progression is the set number on how high they will reach. Always be wary when going on the market. Most people practice the "buyers beware" type of attitude in that if you buy a dud, there is no way to reimburse that wasted money. The only is to punish that seller by reporting it to a fiscal or @. To avoid that, practice checking their "PREVISION" tab that the seller opens with GBs or check their progression through schools. It's quite length, but I hope it helps. Edit: @grantis beat me to it. xD Edited by Arsenal <3 11-07-2013 19:58	11/07/2013 19:58
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grantis45 Username 6256 msgs. Golden Ball	Too slow but yours is more comprehensive. So yours is definitely worth a read Id disagree with point 2 of yours a little bit. Picking up low average seniors with high progression can be quite useful as a newish team. May take you a couple of seasons but you end up with fairly decent senior guys who have picked up some skills.	11/07/2013 20:29
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Rojocapo Username 94 msgs. Rookie	Thanks much i do have a better understanding of things. players that have a better salary will get a higher release... But i didn't understand this point as much when say for example: 2 GK of the same age come out of my school and they have the same average but one release is 3 mill while the other is 500 k now, i didn't touch them in any way as resigning or nothing like that. Does this automatically mean that the 3 mill WILL be a better player and have a higher chance to progress? No i know that you guys said that it is not a determining factor in progress but then why is one juniors release so much higher? Another question is, as a NON golden ball buyer and like to purchase juniors for training, there are really no hints that would make me think one would tdo better then others? I am asking this because i have been using release clause to guide my self but it is wrong i guess. Thanks again sorry if it is explained but didn't catch that part	11/07/2013 21:44
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Arsenal <... Username 961 msgs. MVP of the game	@grantis, ha. That is true. There are many uses for juniors, and that is just one thing I didn't mention. You can train juniors for your first team or sell them off for a profit. That's usually the two paths juniors take (or you could just fire them for the lols, but that would be idiotic). But i didn't understand this point as much when say for example: 2 GK of the same age come out of my school and they have the same average but one release is 3 mill while the other is 500 k now, i didn't touch them in any way as resigning or nothing like that. Does this automatically mean that the 3 mill WILL be a better player and have a higher chance to progress? Now, I am not entirely sure on that. It could be down to their fidelity factor as I stated above where the higher their fidelity, the higher their release clause:salary ratio will be and vice versa. From my experience, the higher their starting release clause is usually down to their starting average. I had a 40 average LB before with a poor progression of somewhere in the 50's and his release clause was around 1.5m or so while I had a 79 progression LDF at 20ish average start with a much lower clause, so I do not believe progression has anything to do with starting release clauses. I could be wrong, but that has been my experience. Haha, do not worry. There are a lot of managers who do not have access to GBs (golden balls) including me. Your options are surely limited as you can't do GB+ search, can't determine their forecast, but you can still buy them from the market. What I do is look for players that are already named with their progression/forecast. I check to see if they have the "PREVISION" tab already open on the player's profile. If it is legitimate, then I will bid on that player. Also if whenever you look through teams, look at how much training their junior gains. If it's something like 0.300+ then that is a good indicator that they have a decent to good progression. You could always rely on schools to tell you the progression of players as well.	12/07/2013 01:19
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grantis45 Username 6256 msgs. Golden Ball	It does seem to be higher average and probably a bit of the hidden stat fidelity. Sometimes you get a player whos not worth 10k but the minimum you can do direct for is about 1.5m.	12/07/2013 01:33
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