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superkrapper said: Heidstra said: I ). nice thesis Heidstra  my initial post was saying @fiscals have enlarged their remit from stopping cheating to actually controlling the market ( central financial planning)and as Heid points out totally kills the fun in negotiating surely the whole point of game i think Heid tentatively suggests @s just butt out of most deals and then they can just hunt for cheaters (the job) im not trying to @ bash here the @s i know do the best job they can in the most impartial mannor poss its just the job has been changed /twisted I think Heid is correct (shocking I know). If someone sends me a player and is just like "Price?" then I have to look through similars (of which hopefully there are some), look at prices, scenarios for how the player was purchased, etc, etc. and hope I find a satisfactory price. Sometimes it's easy and the price is pretty obvious, other times It is a little bit of a guess work and extrapolation. Now if someone is like "Is this amount good for this player, we can take a quick look at a broader range of similars and see if it falls within those prices. I'd honestly agree with heid that we've (meaning SM users) have built a system where we largely just ask other people to tell us the price we should buy or sell players for rather than determining our own deals. I think part of it is because people want a sort of price assurance that their player is worth X amount, rather than offering up a player and having the only offers that come in be lower than the persons perceived value of said player. So they can say, "nope @'s said it's worth this" when the reality of the market at the moment may be that the player isn't worth that. |
30/04/2014 15:48 |
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superkrapper said: Heidstra said: I ). nice thesis Heidstra my initial post was saying @fiscals have enlarged their remit from stopping cheating to actually controlling the market ( central financial planning)and as Heid points out totally kills the fun in negotiating surely the whole point of game i think Heid tentatively suggests @s just butt out of most deals and then they can just hunt for cheaters (the job) im not trying to @ bash here the @s i know do the best job they can in the most impartial mannor poss its just the job has been changed /twisted This is somewhat accurate, but I want to be completely clear. I think that we, as general users, have created this culture for OURSELVES. When we choose to do business in such a manner we are inviting these consequences. As long as we ask fiscals to complete our deals for us we will have to live with their biases and errors. How can a fiscal "butt out" when they're being asked to literally give us the price we use in our transfer? The only way to return the liberty to ourselves is to start doing these things on our own. When this happens, we remove the fiscals from the equation; they become facilitators instead of dictators. There is no longer an opportunity for their personal feelings or a mistake to enter into the situation and effect a deal. Any price or deal we make comes from our control and is indicative of our prerogatives. In the end, fiscals can only ever "control" the market because we ask them to; as long as we ask them to, we have to live with their natural faults. |
30/04/2014 17:24 |
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Good thoughts, just a reminder that whatever the current market situation for you may be, fiscals have to lie in their own bed - with that in mind we try to achieve some kind of balance, which isn't easy. And we're the ones who have to wear the mistakes/insults etc so we try to be fair plus the problems you guys have getting good deals are threefold for us  we do it because we love the game. Sorry if we've made mistakes guys. I think despite these criticisms/opinions/whatever things are good overall, the market right now is nothing short of puss - hopefully it might pick up again, we'll see. |
01/05/2014 08:02 |
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Heidstra said: superkrapper said: Heidstra said: I ). nice thesis Heidstra my initial post was saying @fiscals have enlarged their remit from stopping cheating to actually controlling the market ( central financial planning)and as Heid points out totally kills the fun in negotiating surely the whole point of game i think Heid tentatively suggests @s just butt out of most deals and then they can just hunt for cheaters (the job) im not trying to @ bash here the @s i know do the best job they can in the most impartial mannor poss its just the job has been changed /twisted This is somewhat accurate, but I want to be completely clear. I think that we, as general users, have created this culture for OURSELVES. When we choose to do business in such a manner we are inviting these consequences. As long as we ask fiscals to complete our deals for us we will have to live with their biases and errors. How can a fiscal "butt out" when they're being asked to literally give us the price we use in our transfer? The only way to return the liberty to ourselves is to start doing these things on our own. When this happens, we remove the fiscals from the equation; they become facilitators instead of dictators. There is no longer an opportunity for their personal feelings or a mistake to enter into the situation and effect a deal. Any price or deal we make comes from our control and is indicative of our prerogatives. In the end, fiscals can only ever "control" the market because we ask them to; as long as we ask them to, we have to live with their natural faults. I agree with this 100% It's heaps easier - and better - to compare a price rather than find one. +1  |
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