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Changes should be made to the current loan system
No, Keep it the way it is
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Yes, but only minor changes
Yes, more changes
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Prices high? limited supply?
You must be playing on new server

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10/02/2016 06:01
  Mr. Q17 - Div1/Gr1
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No, prices have come down a lot since I first started playing but they're still ridiculous. Having more managers forced to sell players will increase the amount of good players on the market which creates competitive pricing. 10/02/2016 06:05
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brezzette said:
@vgates said:
Hearing complaint after complaint about loans each season, I suggest eliminating loans entirely.

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This will up market prices,div.1 and div.2 teams = 100 teams got like 200+ players on LOAN ~95avg.
When you cant loan you must train or buy and market will be more active and prices will go up.


Yeah, that's true!

Remove loan after next season....
18/02/2016 02:50
  🦊3773™ - Div2/Gr1
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It's erroneous to assume prices will go up, loans only affect the supply not demand, not prices. That's like saying stopping people from renting cars will cause car prices to increase. There's no connection at all. Eliminating loans or setting more limits/restrictions on loan activities have no impact on market prices. If anything prices may even go down because there will be more players to choose from in the market. 18/02/2016 04:13
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Vadecula said:
It's erroneous to assume prices will go up, loans only affect the supply not demand, not prices. That's like saying stopping people from renting cars will cause car prices to increase. There's no connection at all. Eliminating loans or setting more limits/restrictions on loan activities have no impact on market prices. If anything prices may even go down because there will be more players to choose from in the market.

Loans only affect the supply and demand,not prices?
Then what affect prices if not supply/demand?

If there are only ~10 CFs 95+avg in the game price would be ~4B(i got mine 93avg near 3B),but now with 100+ CFs 95+avg you can find for ~1B.

If they remove loans market price may drop a little but only 1-2 seasons coz all teams will sale their players they cant loan.
After that prices will go up.

It will remove a lot of high avg players from the game owned by rich teams.

Loans create huge gap between rich teams and average teams,90+% of high avg loaned players are owned by div.1-2.
Its how rich team farms,get 3 players ~90avg high prog and loan them ~4 seasons you get 3B+ profit.

Probably we just talking here they will do nothing but if they do this game will be more balanced and gap will be smaller on long term.

Oh and another thing is to make motivation% like in juniors so you cant train/farm players out of position like i and most teams do on 100%+motivation.


Edited by brezzette 18-02-2016 08:49
18/02/2016 08:44
  Mr. Q17 - Div1/Gr1
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You should read my post more carefully. I said removing loans won't cause prices to go up. There will still be plenty of teams out there needing good players (demand) and we'll still have plenty of players with good progression and forecast (supply). Thus, removing loans or having restrictions will be a long term impact instead of 2 seasons. There are more than enough good managers in Div 3 and 4 training players with 90+ stats. Loan isn't the reason we have 90+ players, UPlay determines how many 90+ players we have in the game not Div 1 and 2.

The Div 1 and 2 players have 90+ players now because they have the money. The current model only makes sure the rich stay richer. Players are more expensive now because a lot of teams can choose to keep and loan them out to gain more experience and attributes. If you're proposing propping up market then your argument supports that, but if you want competitive pricing instead of price gouging then eliminating loans or implementing some restrictions on loan will help us get there.

Edited by Vadecula 18-02-2016 18:23
18/02/2016 18:08
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Vadecula said:
You should read my post more carefully. I said removing loans won't cause prices to go up. There will still be plenty of teams out there needing good players (demand) and we'll still have plenty of players with good progression and forecast (supply). Thus, removing loans or having restrictions will be a long term impact instead of 2 seasons.
Edited by Vadecula 18-02-2016 18:23

I read carefully and i said too that removing loans will be long term impact.
''If they remove loans market price may drop a little but only 1-2 seasons coz all teams will sale their players they cant loan.
After that prices will go up.''

Here is why i think prices will go up after that:
with loans now you can have LF+CF+RF on loan and keep them till maxed 98avg LF/RF and 96avg CF ~6B+
without loans you will need 6B+ only for those 3,plus good subs forwards you will need close to 10B.
So without loans you will need to buy or HC them and this will up market prices plus more $ will go to lower divs.

If we cut those +3 loan players from div.1-div.2 it will mean more div.3-4-5 teams can get some of this players and thats what we want.
So instead of using lower divs as slaves for training our players and ruin their long term peak in process they can have their own players to train.
This will balance the game on long term,a lot of good prog players will go to div.3-5 coz div.1-2 cant loan them.

Uplay determine how many 90+prog we have not how many 90+avg,not all will be maxed like div.1-2 teams.

Nvm about prices going up or down,cutting loans will reduce gap between rich and poor and thats most important.


18/02/2016 22:08
  Mr. Q17 - Div1/Gr1
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''If they remove loans market price may drop a little but only 1-2 seasons coz all teams will sale their players they cant loan.
After that prices will go up.'' You're basically assuming there won't be any more good players after 1 or 2 seasons. As previously stated, Uplay determines the amount of 90+prog players. So for your argument to work wages would have to remain absurdly high and Uplay would also have to stop making more 90+prog players after 1-2 seasons. We already know there are plenty of good managers from all divisions that will continue to train good players. I doubt UPlay would stop generating good players when they've been working hard on having players being sold at fair market value instead of the speculative pricing that has dominated for many seasons.

Much of your earlier argument is one dimensional because you focus on Div 1 and 2 as if they're the only one here. A more balanced distribution of good players will benefit D1 and D2 as much as lower divisions. It will make playing more interesting instead of focusing so much on money. Moreover, a more balanced distribution of good players will result in lower wages and prices. Managers won't have to pay outrageous wages or fear hostile clauses as much as they do now because there will be less money floating around and a larger pool of good players to choose from instead of the limited supply monopolized by rich teams or those from Div 1 and 2.

90+avg are maxed in div 1 and 2 because they have the resources to pay the wages required to have all those players. If things were more balanced and wasn't focused on money I'm sure there would be more of those players in lower divisions. The current model of good managers and money determine 90+avg, not necessarily being from Div 1 and 2. There are plenty of good managers in D3 and D4 that are tactically better than some of the managers from Div 1 and 2. They just don't have the money to compete regularly and field a powerful squad.
18/02/2016 22:51
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Vadecula said:
''If they remove loans market price may drop a little but only 1-2 seasons coz all teams will sale their players they cant loan.
After that prices will go up.'' You're basically assuming there won't be any more good players after 1 or 2 seasons. As previously stated, Uplay determines the amount of 90+prog players. So for your argument to work wages would have to remain absurdly high and Uplay would also have to stop making more 90+prog players after 1-2 seasons. We already know there are plenty of good managers from all divisions that will continue to train good players. I doubt UPlay would stop generating good players when they've been working hard on having players being sold at fair market value instead of the speculative pricing that has dominated for many seasons.

Much of your earlier argument is one dimensional because you focus on Div 1 and 2 as if they're the only one here. A more balanced distribution of good players will benefit D1 and D2 as much as lower divisions. It will make playing more interesting instead of focusing so much on money. Moreover, a more balanced distribution of good players will result in lower wages and prices. Managers won't have to pay outrageous wages or fear hostile clauses as much as they do now because there will be less money floating around and a larger pool of good players to choose from instead of the limited supply monopolized by rich teams or those from Div 1 and 2.

90+avg are maxed in div 1 and 2 because they have the resources to pay the wages required to have all those players. If things were more balanced and wasn't focused on money I'm sure there would be more of those players in lower divisions. The current model of good managers and money determine 90+avg, not necessarily being from Div 1 and 2. There are plenty of good managers in D3 and D4 that are tactically better than some of the managers from Div 1 and 2. They just don't have the money to compete regularly and field a powerful squad.


You like twisting and turning words and make your own conclusions dont you?

I am not assuming anything i just know that if there are are tons of good players on market(this will happen if they remove loans) their price will drop.
After few seasons there will be less good players on market coz everyone will train their own not +3 loans per team period.

Its not one dimensional argument,you got me wrong i am more focused on lower divs.3-4-5 and i mention div.1-2 all the time coz they have 90+% of good loans.

''A more balanced distribution of good players will benefit D1 and D2 as much as lower divisions.''
If i am div.1 team and i loan 3 players every season and making billions profit from that and you are div.4(like your team and you have 3 loans in) losing tons of cash for not training your own players it will benefit me same as you if they remove loans?
I will lose billions you will lose nothing and whats more important you will benefit by not taking loans.

I am not buying that, div.3-4 managers better than div.1-2 even with drop in quality in div.1-2 with a lot of good teams leaving the game.
If you do your homework you will have 90+team very fast and you can challenge every div.1-2 team.
You joined 3 months later than me so you should know that its much easier now to get 90+avg team than before.

Since i joined div.1 i was beating a lot higher avg teams all the time only with better tactic,you can check season 11 in div.1 .

Thats why this game is good,you need to be complete.
There are a lot of teams with best players but not so good tactic and good tactic with average players.

If we wait for devs to reset server and give to all 95avg teams not gonna happen.



19/02/2016 00:01
  Mr. Q17 - Div1/Gr1
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I am done here

Cheers
19/02/2016 00:03
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