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pls i wanna set up a three man defence (as in 3 defenders, maybe 3-5-2) can i pair 3 CDF at the back? | 02/02/2015 07:32 |
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No | 02/02/2015 08:42 |
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haha, are you trying to do a Van Gaal here?  yes you can make 3 CDFs but one thing, just try to make your philosophy work fine, no back pass and let ya forwards attack well because you might find your players with no shot on goal and still lose 1-nil  Edited by mr waz 02-02-2015 10:23 |
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You cannot set up a formation with more than two identical positions. That's not to say you cannot play with ten identical players (ignoring the keeper), but all but two would have to be played out of position. So you cannot use three central defenders (and yes this is the only video game that I'm aware of that won't allow this!!!). To create a three man defence you would ideally have a left, a right and a central defender (which ultimately defeats one of the major advantages, as you know, of using a three man defence in a video game). However, if you find yourself without a left defender, for example, you could use a second central defender. To do this you would need to change the position of the player from within the formations screen, or else you would risk causing the player severe fatigue, not to mention have them play less effectively than they would playing in their correct position. And I've no doubt the game is coded to increase the likelihood of an out-of-position player being injured. If you don't already, I would recommend you use advanced tactics (whereby you specify where you want each player to be on the pitch in relation to the position of the ball). This will ensure that if you were to use two central defenders the one you use on the left or right moves exactly where you want him to be. Advanced tactics will ensure that the central defender sticks to your gameplan and doesn't have him try to wander into his natural central position. If you watch and study the games you will notice that a left or right defender playing centrally or a central defender playing on the left or right doesn't move and react exactly as a correctly positioned defender would but it's pretty subtle. |
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mr waz said: haha, are you trying to do a Van Gaal here? yes you can make 3 CDFs but one thing, just try to make your philosophy work fine, no back pass and let ya forwards attack well because you might find your players with no shot on goal and still lose 1-nil Edited by mr waz 02-02-2015 10:23 WRONG! You cannot use three central defenders in a formation. The game simply won't allow you to create a three central defender formation. I'm not sure philosophy bears any significance in the effectiveness of a formation. Tactics and player quality are more determining factors in the outcome of a match. Van Gaal's simply not the manager some people believed him to be. With thirty or whatever times the budget of Moyes he's bearly managed to do any better. And with a team that Ferguson was able to get results with Van Gaal needs to spend hundreds of millions and it's still uncertain whether he could maintain such success, and long term at that. As it happens I'm not a Man U fan, so I'm rather happy that Ferguson's retired. Anyway, I've played a three-man defence in every football video game, and against equivalent teams I would say it's been extremely effective and successful. In fact I'm rather pleased everyone thinks a four-man defence is the only option. I hope the majority of gamers continue to stick with this! |
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So I Was Right....... | 03/02/2015 07:33 |
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mr waz said: haha, are you trying to do a Van Gaal here? yes you can make 3 CDFs but one thing, just try to make your philosophy work fine, no back pass and let ya forwards attack well because you might find your players with no shot on goal and still lose 1-nil Edited by mr waz 02-02-2015 10:23 Lolz |
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JensonJet said: So you cannot use three central defenders (and yes this is the only video game that I'm aware of that won't allow this!!!). I really don't know why this developers don't understand this? |
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Hahaha... ok my mistake. I should have checked this before posting. What I meant to say was "I really don't know why developers don't understand this?" Or... "I really don't know why this developer doesn't understand this?" In my defence it was the early hours of the morning. Or are you saying you know of another football game that doesn't allow three central defenders. I'm only familiar with FIFA, Pro Evo (hopefully mentioning indirect competition doesn't break the rules), a commercial football manager game, and about 20 online freebees such as this! On the other hand I may have completely misunderstood what you were bringing to attention (just typing the word 'agree' would have saved me rambling on!) and you may not have been pointing out my grammatical error at all, but simply stating you agree with my sentiments! In which case it's a shame the developer feels the need to create new rules for football in order to make up for their inability to create something resembling acceptable AI. If a gamer chooses to play with 3, 4, 5 or whatever defenders, he should be allowed. With decent AI such a tactic would prove as ineffective as it would in the actual sport. Better yet, there's no stopping the game from automatically imposing a fine, deducting points for match-fixing tactics or removing a team from a competition (although this is probably far too complex an idea to find its way into a free game). This is also the only football manager game where I've not been able to employ three central midfielders! I know why, and again, the developers have altered the rules of the game to disguise an inability to create AI that bears relation to the actual sport. Equally, had the AI been at least up to the standard of your average footy game then we'd not witness strikers turn and face away from goal on occasions when shooting in order to ensure they don't score. Improved AI for goalies would mean the game resembles the sport more accurately as strikers would at least face the goal in attempting to shoot, and we'd see goalies tip the ball over the bar, or out for a corner, or back into play. This would subsequently create more exciting matches, and infinitely more realistic matches. Dumbing down the strikers to the point of them either appearing brain damaged, blind, stupid or employing match fixing tactics in order to avoid an excessive amount of goals is very strange choice. In reality five and six year olds messing around in a park closer resemble professional footballers than the AI employed here! To my knowledge every other developer simply increases the AI quality of the keepers to find a balance between shots on goal and goals scored. Rant over! |
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JensonJet said: Hahaha... ok my mistake. I should have checked this before posting. What I meant to say was "I really don't know why developers don't understand this?" Or... "I really don't know why this developer doesn't understand this?" In my defence it was the early hours of the morning. Or are you saying you know of another football game that doesn't allow three central defenders. I'm only familiar with FIFA, Pro Evo (hopefully mentioning indirect competition doesn't break the rules), a commercial football manager game, and about 20 online freebees such as this! On the other hand I may have completely misunderstood what you were bringing to attention (just typing the word 'agree' would have saved me rambling on!) and you may not have been pointing out my grammatical error at all, but simply stating you agree with my sentiments! In which case it's a shame the developer feels the need to create new rules for football in order to make up for their inability to create something resembling acceptable AI. If a gamer chooses to play with 3, 4, 5 or whatever defenders, he should be allowed. With decent AI such a tactic would prove as ineffective as it would in the actual sport. Better yet, there's no stopping the game from automatically imposing a fine, deducting points for match-fixing tactics or removing a team from a competition (although this is probably far too complex an idea to find its way into a free game). This is also the only football manager game where I've not been able to employ three central midfielders! I know why, and again, the developers have altered the rules of the game to disguise an inability to create AI that bears relation to the actual sport. Equally, had the AI been at least up to the standard of your average footy game then we'd not witness strikers turn and face away from goal on occasions when shooting in order to ensure they don't score. Improved AI for goalies would mean the game resembles the sport more accurately as strikers would at least face the goal in attempting to shoot, and we'd see goalies tip the ball over the bar, or out for a corner, or back into play. This would subsequently create more exciting matches, and infinitely more realistic matches. Dumbing down the strikers to the point of them either appearing brain damaged, blind, stupid or employing match fixing tactics in order to avoid an excessive amount of goals is very strange choice. In reality five and six year olds messing around in a park closer resemble professional footballers than the AI employed here! To my knowledge every other developer simply increases the AI quality of the keepers to find a balance between shots on goal and goals scored. Rant over! http://en.strikermanager.com/foros/hilo.php?id=407030 Been there, done that...no one cares apparently. |
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