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Should certain tactics, such as these, be susceptible to punishment as per the exploitation of game bugs rule?
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@rebsiot said: I agree abusive tactics should be punished, like Italian world cup matches. But they won't be. All you can do is sound like the chosen one talking about West Ham ancient, anti-competitive tactics... But these tactics can be beaten. There is no foolproof mechanism for winning. The premise here is not one of style or results. The complaint is not about an ugly game or a particular team winning. Instead, we are concerned with the exploitation of a flaw in the game for personal advantage. The idea that one could overcome such an opponent is a cop out to the underlying issue. A manager can play with any style they would like, provided it coincides with the intentions of the simulator. Beyond that, we have a responsibility to protect the integrity of the game so that it is played in this image. There will always be system errors, but it is in everyone's best interest that the game remains about succeeding as a footballing manager and not through discovering and using such loopholes. In this case, there is a clear bug that arises when such a formation is deployed and the manager has used it repeatedly throughout the season to gain an advantage. In principle, this is no different than exploiting promoters for free GBs was in the past. The rules for such things have be made quite clear. That said, I'm not sure that retroactive punishment is entirely appropriate. Though this is against the rules, it is certainly a novel application that many of us had not yet encountered and considered. Personally, I started this initiative so that we could discuss the issue and raise awareness. I was hoping we could arrive at an announcement to all users, perhaps with the concerned parties being made particularly aware. I think this should set a precedence moving forward, that is all. |
07/02/2014 09:07 |
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Can't blame the players. The sm need to be fixed. As long as it's not mentioned that u cant u this technique I don't think he should be punished. but personally I wouldn't do it even if it's allowed | 07/02/2014 09:26 |
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Heidstra explained it clearly. This is not about the wierd tactics he set (he can play whatever he wants). This case has 2 clear aspects: 1) The manager created a tactics that caused simulator to behave unstable. This is not manager's fault and it is good, that such a bug was found. The outcome of this is that under certain formation the simulator cycles in senseless loops, what is (A) waste of time for opponent to change score line, (B) opponent's tactics is not applied as intended. This is a simulator bug. 2) The manager used this tactics intentionally in his advantage as (A) he used it in several past matches, (B) he did not use it against weak opponents, (C) the tactics was applied when he was up by 1 goal what blocked an opponent from scoring. When the score got equalized the tactics was switched back. This is clearly intentional behavior leading to an advantage - an opponent is not shooting on a goal. These 2 aspects clearly point on the violation of the game rules - "2) It is forbidden to take advantage of some fault of the game.". I can't imagine more clear evidence. And this discussion is not about how to punish the manager (although he should be, IMO). There is no retroactivity here, as the rules became effective quite some time ago (before this happened). But the most important part here is how @s become involved and how this case will get concluded. All of us expect clear statements. |
07/02/2014 11:49 |
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ronnie_sk said: Heidstra explained it clearly. This is not about the wierd tactics he set (he can play whatever he wants). This case has 2 clear aspects: 1) The manager created a tactics that caused simulator to behave unstable. This is not manager's fault and it is good, that such a bug was found. The outcome of this is that under certain formation the simulator cycles in senseless loops, what is (A) waste of time for opponent to change score line, (B) opponent's tactics is not applied as intended. This is a simulator bug. 2) The manager used this tactics intentionally in his advantage as (A) he used it in several past matches, (B) he did not use it against weak opponents, (C) the tactics was applied when he was up by 1 goal what blocked an opponent from scoring. When the score got equalized the tactics was switched back. This is clearly intentional behavior leading to an advantage - an opponent is not shooting on a goal. These 2 aspects clearly point on the violation of the game rules - "2) It is forbidden to take advantage of some fault of the game.". I can't imagine more clear evidence. And this discussion is not about how to punish the manager (although he should be, IMO). There is no retroactivity here, as the rules became effective quite some time ago (before this happened). But the most important part here is how @s become involved and how this case will get concluded. All of us expect clear statements. Very well explained man |
07/02/2014 11:52 |
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I Agree!! | 07/02/2014 11:57 |
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Yep, I agree with Heid and Ronnie. | 07/02/2014 19:00 |
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jorgediazm78 said: ronnie_sk said: Heidstra explained it clearly. This is not about the wierd tactics he set (he can play whatever he wants). This case has 2 clear aspects: 1) The manager created a tactics that caused simulator to behave unstable. This is not manager's fault and it is good, that such a bug was found. The outcome of this is that under certain formation the simulator cycles in senseless loops, what is (A) waste of time for opponent to change score line, (B) opponent's tactics is not applied as intended. This is a simulator bug. 2) The manager used this tactics intentionally in his advantage as (A) he used it in several past matches, (B) he did not use it against weak opponents, (C) the tactics was applied when he was up by 1 goal what blocked an opponent from scoring. When the score got equalized the tactics was switched back. This is clearly intentional behavior leading to an advantage - an opponent is not shooting on a goal. These 2 aspects clearly point on the violation of the game rules - "2) It is forbidden to take advantage of some fault of the game.". I can't imagine more clear evidence. And this discussion is not about how to punish the manager (although he should be, IMO). There is no retroactivity here, as the rules became effective quite some time ago (before this happened). But the most important part here is how @s become involved and how this case will get concluded. All of us expect clear statements. Very well explained man yes fantastic  A question, in the new striker will be permissive with this tactic? I want know because i will play this tactic in the new server if i decide go to new server |
07/02/2014 20:03 |
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That tactic sucks, but I think each manager must play just the way they want. There are lots of bug tactics, not only that, and no one has complained up to now. P.D. I played last season a match against that tactic and I won 4-0, and I didn't use any special formation. Edited by SuTaGar 07-02-2014 21:02 |
07/02/2014 20:59 |
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Nice One Heid. IMO: 1. Not the Worst tactics i've seen ever.... 2. This is the true definition of "Win at all Costs" 3. He is Beat-able 4. He tried,at least he is smarter than the computer 5. Can't use it, and shouldn't be Punished Jurgen K. |
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I dont see anything wrong with that! | 08/02/2014 22:26 |
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